Maintained by Jaap Horst , Email: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
Identify these cars
I received two more photographs from David Juillerat. His father owned several Bugattis, though I'm not sure if these were his.
Does anybody have info about any of these cars, maybe chassis number, current owner?
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
The GP is 51129.
The car was produced in May 1931 with engine 11 and delivered to the Bugatti Agent Dominique Lamberjack in Paris on June 18, 1931, rendering the story, which was told by later owner H.K. Dale that it was a Louis Chiron works car and winner of Monaco 1931 probably wishful thinking.
Lamberjack had ordered it on June 10, 1931 and he had paid the full price of Frs 117.000.- for the car, highlighting that it must have been an unused, brand new car. In December 1932 in was registered in Paris as 6203-RG for an unknown owner. On Oct 16, 1945 it was registered as 8860-CB3 in the Département Bouches-du-Rhône close to Marseille, possibly for Mr Pfenninger or mr Loyer (the first mentioned as owner by Antoine Raffaëlli). On 20 December 1950 it got the French plate 3569 AG 78 for Robert Morra, a grocer living on 104, Boulevard Roger Salengro in Livry- Gargan in the Seine-et Oise area. With this plate it was sold in 1954 to Henry Dale, an Australian in wool merchandise, at that moment living at Casella Aperta, Biella, Vercelli in Italy and who also had lived in Egypt. He had it rebuilt with a new engine block, pistons, rods, crankshaft etc. It was blue with beige leather seats. All parts had been chromium plated which in fact is an anachronism: Chrome plaiting had been invented in the USA but only came to Europe for factory cars later in the thirties as an accessory option. In 1954 it was for sale and it was bought by L.S. Juillerat, box 482, Highland, New York in the USA. It was sold to Tunick, who in turn sold it to the trader Bill Serri in Merchantville, New Jersey. He became a long-term owner from1973 onwards. In 2002 it was sold at the Christies auction at Pebble Beach when it went to the present owner in The United Kingdom and when it got the British plates 303 UXK.
The Ventoux with plate EXH 6 is 57604.
The car was produced in October 1937 (no 8) with engine 439 and the optional Lockheed hydraulic brakes. The body was an all black factory made coach Ventoux made from December 1937 onwards. The car had been ordered on Nov 22, 1937 by the London Bugatti agent Sorel in a batch of two cars (57604 and 57605) and the chassis was finished on 22-12-1937. The factory had promised the car for the beginning of February 1938, and it kept its promise: It was delivered on Feb 7, 1938.
Its sister car 57605 had been delivered earlier on Dec 16, 1937 as a chassis, which was an urgent delivery. This chassis was used for the production of a green drop head coupé by the coachbuilder Corsica.
The first owner of 57604 was a company of the name Watkins Ltd. It was registered n May 5, 1938 as EXH 6 (GB). A next known owner was Ivan Carr, and in 1954 the car was owned by Berry Bamberger, Queen’s Gate, Cookham Dean, Berkshire in the UK. It passed on to Dr. T. Black, the Nine Elwes in Knowsley in the UK. He sold it to James Berry, who had the engine completely reconditioned with new cylinder blocks, pistons, reground crank etc. He offered the car for sale in the winter issue of Bugantics in 1957. for the magnanimous sum of GBP 425.- (which was after the rebuild of the engine!). The car participated at BOC meetings as can bee seen on pictures of the Trust (53A, 67A and 68A) when it was a two tone (possibly yellow).
The car came at some point in the ownership of the Dutchman Dries van der Lof when it got the plate 04- 52- AZ and it is mentioned on page 248 of the first Volume of the Bugatti Register The Netherlands- Belgium. (Two future volumes of equal size will follow with each over 250 additional cars).
We have no record of the ownership of Juillerat! Can David tell us maybe who are the people on the picture, where and when the picture was taken??
Kees Jansen, The Netherlands, 25 June 2008
On behalf of the BIG (Bugatti Identification Group)
19-6-2008 + 25-6-2008
Identify these cars + answerI received these photographs from David Juillerat. who's father sold his Bugattis (he had 5 or 6) many years ago and David doesn't know much about them. David is the boy in front of the top right photo. Several of the cars were sold to a Mr. Tunik in New York circa 1970.
Does anybody have info about any of these cars, maybe chassis number, current owner?
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
The purple GP is Bugatti 35 chassisnumber 4752. The car was produced in February 1926 with engine 69 as a Course Imitation 2 litre with a Grand Prix body. It was ordered by the Bugatti agent Matarazzo in Sao Paolo in Brazil on March 23 and shipped on March 129, 1926. He paid Frs 76.500 for it.
The car stayed in South America: In 1931 it was in Buenos Aires in Argentina where it was bought by Paul Ivanos, a cameraman for early sound pictures from Hollywood and taken to the US. He swapped it for a Chrysler '75' roadster with Bunny Phillips in 1932. Bunny Phillips overhauled the engine and sold it thereafter to Tom Ince later that year. The next owner was Tetze and then before the war- still on the East Coast of the US- it went to Al Crundall. It was a well known and often seen car there where it participated in many competitions.
After the War it went to the East coast where it was reportedly raced at Linden Airport in the fifties and where it was owned by Bob Morgan, Larry Kulack, Harry Gray en Bill Wonder (Glen Cove, New York) before it came into the hands of Steve Juillerat, the father of David. The next owners were Art Jacobs, then Bill Serri (Merchantville, New Jersey) and Edward Gilmour after which it came into the hands of thye present owner in Philadelphia when it enjoyed a leasurely retirement in his collection for the last 20 years or so. The car is described as 99 % original; still has its original engine; a very unusual feature for Grand Prix types 35! The only main deviation from original is that it has non- standard needle bearings in the big ends.
It is used as a model for the Franklin Mint 1:24 die cast model down to the same eccentricities of the same car.
The second blue and black car is type 30 chassis number 4209
The car has engine # 210, and was ordered on April 3, 1924. When new it had an eight cylinder engine 60 x 88, 1 Zenith carburateur, Delco ignition, rear axle 12 x 54 5 Rudge wire wheels with Dunlop tyres 765 x 105, electric lights, front wheel brakes (so 4 wheel brakes instead of 2 wheel brakes just on the rear), 4 shock absorbers and extra equipment. It got a 3/4 seater open touring body by Lavocat et Marsaud. It was ordered by Roger W. Kahn in New York and sent to him straight from the factory. The bill was paid on Sept 30, 1924.
In 1954 it was mentioned as being owned by J.L. Juilleret, Rocky Point, L.I., New York. In 1962 it was mentioned L.S. Juillerat, Box 482, Highland, New York. The engine had already been rebuilt with major parts from engine 224 ex 38348. The original engine except the lower crankcase was later sold to Peter Williamson whilst the lower crankcase with the numbers stayed with the car for eventual later refitment. It had a tubular front axle fitted. Steve Juillerat sold it to Ace Parker, then it went to Cory Parker and Cos Cobb in Connecticut. In 1988 it was owned by the latest owner in Greenwich, Connecticut 06830, who supposedly still owns it. The plate in 1953 was D- 71-24 in the state of New York.
The blue type 40 with clear engine hood is 40469.
The car was produced in May 1927 with engine 264, ordered by Fred Elbs in Metz on July 18, 1927 and delivered as a chassis on July 18 for Frs 32.850.- The first body in unknown.
In 1962 it had a 2 seater roadster body with Dickey seat; the engine had been replaced by engine # 2 (which was an A, the later version of the engine with Double Ignition, a bore of 72mm and a displacement of 1627ccm (half engine T49) instead of the 69mm and 1496 ccm (half T44 engine) of a T40. Addition by Ralf Scholz) ex 40903 and the owner was L.S. Juillerat, Box 482, Highland, New York. He had imported it from France- probably from a mr Bouchier- into the USA in 1959/1960 together with a type 49, chassisnumber 49369 , also owned by Juillerat (now Gene Cesari's car) . 40469 was sold to David Tunick in Greenwich, Connecticut, then travelled back to Europe- the United Kingdom- and from there it was sold to Mr Korreman in Denmark. In turn he sold it to Mr Sorrenson in Denmark, who in turn sold it back to the UK, to the present owner in 1990. He removed the body and replaced it with a Grand Sport body, as happened so often in those days
The 44 is 44923.
44923 was produced in February 1929 with engine 636, It was ordered as a chassis by the Bugatti Agent Colonel Sorel on Brixton Road in London in a batch of four cars (44923, 44924, 44925, 44926) on April 10, 1929 for a price of Frs 29.290.- each and delivered on 23 April 1929. As known this was an exceptionally low price; Ettore had a high esteem and appreciation for sales to the UK. A 4-seater open tourer body was made by the coachbuilder Harrington of Brighton in the South of England. It was made of fabric covered aluminium; double side mounts and rear trunk, painted maroon with black wings and bonnet.
The car was exported to the USA before 1960 when it came into the hands of William W Marden jr. In 1960 it was sold to John Mc Gill Jr. In 1962 the engine was rebuilt by Basil Scully and in 1964 the owner became John King. King woned the car very briefly, before 1979 it came back into the ownership of John M. Gill, in East Dennis, Massachusetts. It got the plate Antique Massachusetts 1996. It stayed almost completely original. Gill sold the car to Judge John North who claimed he had always wanted to own the car. This longing lasted all of a month or two before it was sold to Ed Hubbard in the UK in 1988. He sold it to P.F. Parkinson in 1989. The car was still original and remained so, but was restored again. The engine was rebuilt by Taylor of Birdham and a complete historically correct restoration was performed by Mike Thomas of Birdham. It got the plate UL 4703 (GB) and it participated in at the Bugatti Meeting in Prescott in 1997 and the Bugatti Drive in May 2003, passing the house of photographer Tony Baily who took the opportunity to take pictures, which now can be seen on his website and on the Wiki.
Remains unsolved the T57 with typical English style 4-seater tourer body.
Kees Jansen
8-6-2008 + 16-6-2008
Initials and 5-pointed star on Bugatti engineComment from Julio Gonzalez
I heard sometime my father and other bugattiste, E. Carmona currently living in Brazil (Owner of an original 35 TC with Original 35B engine) say that some (with Le Patron permission as Mr. Carmona thinks) works mechanics used to mark the engines they worked on to identify them and that way avoid the posibility of that engine to fall in other hands or to be changed with another engine or parts. This seems to be a very probable explanation.
Does anybody know of another explanation for this feature, what these initials signify, or is there anybody who has seen this before, maybe on another car??
Martijn and Jan Smits, E-mail: carlein-martijn@chello.nl
25-6-2005 + 16-6-2008
Answer! Raul Franco Reinoso
From Ramiro A. Fernandez , who is writing a book on photography in Cuba, I receive the solution to one of the photographs that were posted on this page earlier (see below).
The driver is Raul Franco Reinoso which was written on the back of the photograph of which Ramiro sent me a scan. He knows
the date to be around 1932-34. It really is the same car, compare the two photographs: The wheel nuts (front and rear)
are in the absolute same position, and the background is the same! It is clear that the Bugatti carries the number 4.
The Bugatti is probably a T35 Tecla (cheaper version of the regular T35 with a more simple engine and lacking the aluminium wheels), or a T37 (4 cylinder). Difficult to tell the difference.
Comment from Julio Gonzalez
I´m sure that car is a type 37. we need to thank the "Blessed Photographer" because it´s almost a side view and we can see the bottom of the crankcase. which is short as on a four cylinder engine, in any case of an eight cylinder engine the crankase should finish almost "tangent" to the back of the front wheel (there is a beautifull photo of the prototype which can be used to compare apart from others). other way to know that, is by looking at the osition of the bolts in the engine front arrangement. They are almost impossible to see in that photos but I think the crankcase is enough.
Do you have any ideas as to the history of Raul Franco Reinoso, the event, or the car?
Below the picture from the original question! (Click any picture for an enlargement)
The photograph above was provided by Terry McGrath.
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
21-4-2006 / update 16-1-2007 + 16-6-2008
Pedro Duarte de Castro e Silva
E-mail: peducassi@gmail.com
21-5-2008
Michael Hortig
E-mail: Michael.Hortig@unicreditgroup.at
24-4-2008
Another unknown car, probably T44/T49Michiel van den Brink
E-mail: michiel@vandenbrinkdesign.com
7-4-2008
More info on T44?Ton Stoffelen
E-mail: ton-stoffelen@hetnet.nl
24-3-2008
Louis Garnier lived in Mirabel-aux-Baronnies, France, where he owned 3 Bugattis. This one is presumed to be a 35B, 2.3 litre engine with mechanical compressor. Bought in Molsheim as a chassis with engine around 1929, equipped with a closed 2 seated coach made from unpainted aluminium in the south of France. Not too nice a design, apparently. Rather cubic.
This car was sold due to bad business results of Louis Garniers company to the United States, around 1962, and was reported by the mysterious caller from Reims to André being seen in or near Maastricht, Netherlands. The caller was aware of the chassis-number of the car and had traced the car down to Andre Garnier, being the nephew of Louis. Andre promised to look into his archives, the caller should call back within a week and never did. However, he rose the curiousity of Andre who would like to know if the car was back and also would be curious to see it once again in his life. He personally would not be surprised if the coach was replaced during the stay in the US.
Is there anyone who can make sense of this story, who has knowledge of a Bugatti in the Netherlands or Belgium coming from the states? Or who does know somebody in or near Reims who might be interested in these cars, a private person or somebody from a classic-car museum near Reims?? Be aware that all indications are not more than that, it was a long time Andre has not seen that car. He is sure about the aluminium coach and the engine with compressor, not too sure about the type 35B, only 80%. So if you think to know some story that holds only for half, let us know please.
If anyone has a clue please contact stefan.wolfrum@borgwolfrum.com who will contact Andre Garnier immediately.
24-3-2008
Unknown Bugatti - T40?Does anybody have any information on this car?
Helge Hauk
E-mail: dr.hauk@chello.at
28-2-2008
Bugatti T37 with Maseratie engine 2Does anybody have any information on this car?
Helge Hauk
E-mail: dr.hauk@chello.at
25-2-2008
One example is a T57 Ventoux body on a Lagonda LG45 chassis. I am still trying to learn more about when the coach was switched and where it was done, also by whom and what happened to the original Bugatti chassis (if there ever was one). Does anybody have more info on this Bugatti-dressed Lagonda?
Todd Liem
E-mail: tliem@sbcglobal.net
25-2-2008
I have visited the Schlumpf Museum three times and have many photos of the Shakespeare Bugattis on display, and I would love to have photos of them covered in dust before they were moved. Thanks very much for your help .
Doug Mayhew
E-mail: douglasm@mayhews.com
21-2-2008
I've been told that the Carter BB2 carburetor works well for the 35C, also a Schebler carburetor, both of which work better than the original Zenith (48K?).
Can anyone comment, preferably from experience?
Replies
I have used Solex 46 AVDP on both 43 and 35C with great success,
but they are tough to find.
Zenith 48K are no good for traffic and Sunday outings, only
for racing.
Guy Huet
The best carburator (for street use) for the 35B/C and 43 is the Solex
46AVDP but hard to find. We have severall cars running with it and it does
everything you want. The starter device we don't use and I can help you with
the correct setting if you can find one.
With some luck I might be able to help you with one but you have to be
patienced.
Simon Klopper
On the right a picture of the Solex 46 AVDP
Cordell H. Bahn
Tacoma, WA
253-564-8201
E-mail: cord@u.washington.edu
10-2-2008
The Bugatti T41 Royale elephantCh No 41100, from its days as a prototype until it was hastily removed by Fritz Schlumpf in 1977. Now replaced with a copy.
Ch No 41111, Fitted from its time of delivery to Esders, and the only car with the genuine article. At least this was true when the car was sold to William Lyons, I examined it closely at Goodwood last year, and thought it looked considerably different to photographs I have of it from twenty years ago.
Ch No41131, Initially fitted with a Rolls Royce 'Spirit of Ecstasy,' subsequently replaced by Bugatti's Elephant while still in the ownership of Captain Foster, its original owner. Also removed by Fritz Schlumpf in 1977 and now replaced with a copy.
Ch No 41121, 41141 and 41150 left the factory unadorned, and gained them much later.
I believe that the idea of the 'Rubies For Eyes' came about because they are painted red on the Berline de Voyage.
The 'genuine' mascot was silver plated bronze, made at the Valsuani Foundry.
When the Weyman coach had its accident, the elephant was snapped of at the knees. These parts were kept in the Bugatti Family until L'Ebe Bugatti loaned them to the Bugatti Owners Club in the 1970's to be repaired and a short run of castings made for club members. It then vanished...
Greg Morgan
The original question was:
We all know that this elephant is based on a statue by Ettore's brother Rembrandt. However, there are a few things we don't know: Rumour has it that the Royale elephant was solid silver, is that correct? Also, it is said that the elephant has inset- purple ruby eyes. These seem to be visible on some of the photographs of the elephant, and on others not. (see both pictures!)
So, the question is: Were the elephants of solid silver, and did these have ruby eyes or not. Other possibility is that there were different elephants. Maybe some elephants were later modified by an owner??
Dave Ohrman
E-mail: fhunlimited@adelphia.net
28-1-2008
Carroceria Vert, Gerona, Spain
Dave Ohrman
E-mail: ibocquarterley@homecall.co.uk
17-1-2008
Were they lower than 57?s as the pictures would imply ?, Or was the Aravis closer to the Grand Raid, which had a longer steering column, which was fixed lower to the dashboard?
Thank you for any comments,
Guy Huet
E-mail: ghuet@huet.ch
12-12-2007
I can tell you very little except that it looked like either a Type 35 or 51 in light blue. I do not remember if it ran or not but it appeared to be in totally original condition and in very nice shape. The car was for sale in a small used car shop where I bought a more conservative Volvo 122. The shop was in Darien, CT, USA. The area around Darien and including Darien were very wealthy so I assume the car was owned locally.
So, what I'm hoping is that there is a place where I can find a history of a car bought in CT around 1972 or so. If you can help, I would be very grateful.
Bob Espinosa
E-mail: bespinos@yahoo.com
8-12-2007
Unidentified Bugatti / race
I have a photograph of two cars racing: No. 58 P.Gaskill 1929 Bugatti. No. 66 J.F. Barker 1927 Frazer Nash.
The above information is written on the reverse of photo. Perhaps as a Bugatti enthusiast you might perhaps have some knowledge of the race, year or details on the car.
GASKELL, Peter J. A UK enthusiast born in 1928 who became bewitched with the Bugatti magic after seeing Peter Stubberfield competing at Shelsley Walsh. He joined the UK BOC in May 1954 when he was listed as owning a “Type 23/30”. He formed the “Bugaires” team with Mike Hatton and David Vickers Jones using a type 37 and a 35A, mainly in hill-climbs. He ran at Prescott between 1955 and 1957 in the 37 with a best run of 53.57 seconds. He later moved-on to a more competitive Cooper-JAP “V”- twin with which he had some success but his large build did not help the power to weight ratio in a class dominated by Boshier-Jones. He appeared to enjoy all aspects of his life until his death in 2005. He left a wife Arlette and daughters Rebecca and Rosanna. (See obituary in “Bugantics” 68 / 2 page 6).
The above info was provided by Ivan Quarterely. It is very probable that this Gaskill is in fact the same Peter Gaskell, which would place the pictured event in the fifties.
The car is now in France owned by a keen Bugatti enthusiast details of which may be available through the French Club and regarding the Frazer Nash it would probably be useful to contact Mark Joseland (a Frazer Nash owner) at the Midland Automobile Club where the Shelsley hillclimb is situated.
The above info was provided by David Morys.
E-mail: sibley@paine28.fsnet.co.uk
27-11-2007
Bugatti - Invicta
This special was built in 1953 by Air Commander Scroggs, using a Bugatti chassis (of unknown type), with a army surplus 6 cylinder truck engine, plus an Invicta transmission and radiator. See the specifications
Does anybody have more information on this car?
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
3-11-2007
From memory the car is a GP type either T35 or T37 with a Maserati rather than Bugatti radiator.
Original Question
I am looking for information about a Maserati
engined Bugatti that was driven by Guido Barbieri in 1500cc Italian sports
car racing in mid to late 1930s. The information is for a short bio about
Barbieri for www.historicracing.com.
I can find no record of chassis number or type. Any ideas?
Richard Copeman,
E-mail: rcopeman@dv3.net
5-9-2007
Question from John Barton, E-mail: jarbarton@hotmail.com
27-7-2007
Answer:
The K&N filter RU-1350 fits directly to the Stromberg carburettor, there are no futher conversions necessary. Simon Klopper
Send answers to E-mail: prototypet64 at gmail.com
15-6-2007, update 24-6-07
Both Bugattis now identified!Brian Swann sent me this interesting picture of two Bugattis, it reads Paris 1937, Au temps des "Bug´s". Click the picture for an enlargement.
The car on the left was recognised by Kees Jansen, and is a T35, chassisnumber 4392. In 1927 this had the license number 6902 U 1, but in 1929 it received the number 6054 RB 6 (on the picture). First owner was Christiaan Dauvergne, Paris, sold on 21-06-1928 to Sylvain Barrierre, le Vezinet. The car does not exist anymore;
The car on the right has now also been identified by the BIG (Bugatti Identification Group) of which Kees Jansen is the founder / chairman. It is a highly modified T40, chassis number 40171 with a narrow radiator, probably in order to make it look like a real GP. It can be seen from the starter handle that this is too high for a real GP. The car was registered on June 30, 1937 (unknown owner) after being bought from Gaston Languille in Maisse (Seine et Oise) who had it for only two days (so probably a merchant).
In case this new answer for the car on the right gives you new inspiration, please mail comments to: Brianswann01@aol.com
3-5-2007 / 25-3-2004
Help restore the (almost) dead!We all saw how this 1939 Bugatti T57 Convertible Coupé ended up after a fiery incident, see also the news section. the owner is convinced that it will be possible to bring this car back to life (The body will have to be rebuilt, in fact), but various is needed:
Are there any drawings for the original body by Van Vooren, Paris?
Does anybody know if there is an Archive of Van Vooren (Paris) plans, drawings and other information?
Apart from the overall plans for the body, we would need drawings for various details.
One of the details that is needed is the window frames, and winding mechanism. these were of aluminium and the same mechanism was
used for different manufacturers. are these still available??
details of the car:
1939 Bugatti T57 Convertible Coupé
S/N 57287
body by Van Vooren, Paris
the car was since the early 50's the property of the family. We need all information that could help us with the restauration!
Hansheinrich Leuthold and Grover Berryman (the sad owner, with new hopes)
E-mail: berryman@rockisland.com, hhl@gmx.ch
26-3-2007
Bugatti's Yacht We are interested in knowing any information of the private yacht which Ettore Bugatti had had built for himself in 1938. The photo of the boat is from a couple of years ago.
We are the current owners of this boat now, but we do not know anything about the original design and interior which Bugatti had foreseen for it. It might be very interesting to receive any information which you might have on that yacht in your archive such as photos and construction plans. Furthermore, I also do not know the original name of the boat.
Info: The Hull of the boat was finished to Bugatti's design by 1939 - 1940, and was shipped to England at the beginning of the war. After the war the ship went back, but was not finished by Bugatti, who had a lot of innovative ideas for all the sailing-equipment on board. The hull was finished in a regular fashion, and finally ended up in the caribean, where it is today
Bjorn Arp
E-mail: arpbjorn@hotmail.com
26-3-2007
Mr. Waller's Bugatti These photo's from 1946 of the Bugatti with license number L11 type 40, was at that time owned by Mr JD Waller, who lived in Driebergen Rijsenburg in Utrecht in the Netherlands.
The boy in the back of the car is the son of the owner and he is curious about the whereabouts of this Bugatti.
He remembers the colour of the Bugatti, it was a blue one and the seats were black leather, there was a door on the left side of the
car and the steeringwheel was on the right. There was also a sort of sirene in the exhaust. There was also a sort of footstep
on the left side of this car. This car was in possession of this family for two years.
Does anyone know the story of this Bugatti ?
the question in Dutch:
Dhr Waller uit Noord Holland heeft mij benaderd om voor hem uit te zoeken waar deze Bugatti gebleven is.
Deze foto's uit 1946 van de Bugatti met het kenteken L11 type 40, was toen eigendom van de heer JD Waller woonachtig in Driebergen Rijsenburg in de provincie Utrecht.
De zoon die achter in deze Bugatti zit, vraagt zich af waar deze auto gebleven is. Hij herinnert zich het volgende; de kleur van de auto was blauw en de stoelen waren van zwart leer, er zat een draaisirene in de uitlaat, Aan de linkerzijde van de carrosserie was een portier, het stuur zat aan de rechterkant en aan de linkerkant van de carrosserie was een opstapje gemonteerd. De auto is twee jaar in bezit geweest van deze familie.
Wie heeft deze auto verder in bezit gehad ? En waar is deze Bugatti gebleven ?
Bart de Vries
E-mail: info@bartvrijevormgeving.nl
Website: www.bartvrijevormgeving.nl
19-3-2007, click the pictures for an enlargement. What is the purpose of the rifle in the picture on the right?
Can anybody help?
Andrew Middleton,
E-mail: nottledim@btinternet.com
27-2-2007
So far so good, but this same car she entered for the voiturette race at the 1931 Circuit du Dauphiné (Grenoble). Some of the wellknown race statistics say it was a T37A. A picture of her at Grenoble clearly shows the registration 2066RD9. So could it be that the "unsupercharged T35" was in fact a T37? But all other entries for 2066RD9 had been in the GP class, also at events whith a parallel voiturette race. A T37 would explain the narrow radiator, but to make it more difficult, 2066RD9 was fitted with T35 alloy wheels, which as I understand could not that easily fitted to a wirewheeled T37 or T35A.
The car is reported to have been sold to Charles Brackenbury at an unknown date, but I believe this is wrong, because Brackenbury from 1934/35 onwards raced a T35C which is said having been the Hellé Nice car.
Is there any chance to research the type or even the chassis number on basis of the registration? From where did the car come, and where did it go to? It seems that after 1931 she didn't use it anymore.
Michael Müller
E-mail: michael@axos.nl
27-2-2007
Belgian Bugatti Royale Pictures taker from 1993 needed!Informed by the organizers , I was there on the second day. Late in the afternoon, after the press, I could benefit from this opportunity and, while I was passenger in the front open compartment, a photographer in a Belgian black Saab 900 Cabrio made (plenty of ?) pictures, where I probably appear. I could never get any good contact and I could not see or order those pictures : can anybody help me ?
Above. one of the Bugatti paintings I did at that time (1988 actually). I participated in the Bugattistes exhibition in Molsheim in 1986, organized by Paul Kestler.
Philippe Lalague,
E-mail: PLALAGUE@meru.faurecia.com
21-11-2006
Answer by Michael Hortig
Original question:
Who knows where, after closure of the museum in Sarlat, the "Sleeping Beauties" have gone??
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
24-8-2006
Schlumpf cars
2. Who knows anything about the 62 unrestored cars that have been returned to Arlette Schlumpf (widow of Fritz Schlumpf) in 1999?
This lot contained 17 Bugattis, including ten T57 and has been brought to Switzerland in 1999. The newspaper www.dna.fr has an interview
with Arlette Schlumpf in it's archive, but I cannot download it because their pay-by-phone system works from france only.
Does anyone have more photos or a list ? Does anyone have the interview ? What happened to the cars since 1999 ?"
Mike Westwood
E-mail: mbwestwood@hotmail.com
30-8-2006
Raf Boone.
E-mail: raf.boone@skynet.be
24-8-2006
I try to identify all bugattis, that Fritz Schlumpf collected. In the reserve of the Schlumpf Museum there are at least three T57 about which nobody seems to have any information. Photo 1 (above, click for enlargement) shows the interior of a blue T57 Ventoux from 1936. Photos 2 and 3 show T57 chassis without body. Does anybody know anything about these bugattis ? Chassis numbers ? History ? More photos ? Thank you very much! Photo 2 and 3 don't come any bigger!
Mike Westwood
E-mail: mbwestwood@hotmail.com
22-8-2006
Update on the Bugattis that were sold to Fritz Schlumpf by american bugatti collector John Shakespeare
Original Question:
Does anyone have a list of the cars (and chassis numbers) that were sold to Fritz Schlumpf by american bugatti collector John Shakespeare in 1963. It is said that Schlumpf bought 30 bugattis from Shakespeare including the Royal Park Ward.
Mike Westwood
E-mail: mbwestwood@hotmail.com
24-7-2006 / 25-3-2006
Info requested for new book on the T46, by Authors Bohuslav Klein and Roland Saunier, both from Czech republic. To get an impression, see above the cover page (click for an enlargement), and below two photo pages.
Click on the picture above to see a sample of a description page, with info on details of each individual car. Click on this line for additional information
Please send your information to bohuslav.klein@ksd.cz and ro.saunier@tiscali.cz
Thanks in advance, Bohuslav Klein and Roland Saunier
29-6-2006
Recently I have received two period photos which were taken in Portugal! (above)
Does anybody know details of these cars (chassis, engine etc)?
Please send your answers to dr.hauk@chello.at
Thanks in advance, Helge Hauk
23-6-2006
Help identifying cars and drivers.Update 2: In an idle moment I enlarged and enhanced the picture of Bugattis #5 and #10 at Mannin Moar in 1933. In earlier correspondence these were identified as: #5 the T 51 of Tim Fotheringham and #10 the T 35C of T.A.S.O. Mathieson (Christophe Chanterault quoting www.teamdan.com/archive/gen/1933.html#mannin)
A close look at the picture raises serious doubts about the identifications as far as Bugatti type is concerned.
#5 is a T 35B, or C - the supercharger blow-off hole position makes this clear. There is no second, central, petrol filler.
The wheels are T 35 detachable rim. This car is somewhat modified; with side exhaust (as T59) and twin oil coolers with
outside plumbing. The radiator may well be T 51 type as it appears to be of parallel section. The front axle is not standard,
having an apparent H-section becoming circular at the outer extremities.
The other car, #10, has the narrow radiator of an early T 35, or T37. Surely all blown T 35 had the wider type?
Is the identification from a reliable source?
May I suggest that #5 is probably T 35B chas. 4896. See Eaglesfield (The Bugatti Book 1954) - History: Started life
as No. 4 team car in 1926. Sold to Sir M. Campbell same year. Won 200 mile race, 1927. Later owned by T. S.
Fotheringham, Ralph Vickers, --- , Dunfee. Was originally a 1 1/2-litre, but was fitted with 100 mm. crank by Fotheringham.
Modifications: Lightweight petrol tank and lightweight rad. and special rad. cowl. [remember this was written in 1954 so
these particular mods after 1933 perhaps?] For T. S. Fotheringham by R. R. Jackson -- Water jacketing, smaller valves,
special H axle and radius rods at front. Rear end converted to half elliptics.
In particular the non-standard H axle seems conclusive, and the extensive mods by Jackson for Fotheringham suggest that there may have been more not noted by Eaglesfield.
Someone in BOC must know...
Paul N.
Update: The car number #10 it's a Bugatti Type 35C of T.A.S.O. Mathieson and the car number #5 it's a Bugatti Type 51 of Tim Fotheringham, more on this page :
http://www.teamdan.com/archive/gen/1933.html#mannin
Christophe Chanterault, 7-1-2005
I believe it's the Mannin Moar race at Douglas, Isle of Man in 1933 but don't know the identity of the two cars/drivers featured. Any ideas?
Simon Lewis
E-mail: simon.lewisbooks@virgin.net
30-12-2004 / 19-6-2006
Update 2
Answers to the Question (more questions on Bugattis in Argentina)
Update The first 2 pictures is Cesar Milone at Gavea in 1935:
Gávea is situated in the city of Rio de Janeiro in BRASIL,
NOT in Argentina !
In the second picture, you can see "CAES do PORTO",
in portuguese, the language spoken in BRASIL.
My father Robert Zurmely was "mécanicien" in the Bugatti factory
in Molsheim:
http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/py4zbz/bugatti/robert.htm
Roland Zurmely
Update
The first 2 pictures is Cesar Milone at Gavea in 1935. He crashed and the car caught fire. The ex Forrest Greene car.
3rd picture is also Milone, this time in Rafaela with Vittorio Coppoli as co driver
Answer provided by Estanislao M. Iacona, San Isidro,
Buenos Aires, Argentina Mr. Iacona is in the process of writing a book on Bugattis in Argentina. If you have any unpublished material about this subject, please contact him! E-mail: eiacona@fibertel.com.ar
Original question:
Above 4 pictures of Bugatti's in Argentina. Do you have any ideas as to the history of these cars, the event(s), drivers or otherwise?
Below another one from Cuba. Same questions! (Click any picture for an enlargement)
The photographs were provided by Terry McGrath.
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
21-4-2006 / update 28-4-2006 / 19-6-2006
Regards Philippe Giron (based in the Lymington, Hampshire UK)
E-mail: philippe@nfob.co.uk
25-3-2006
E-mail: ledoyen75@yahoo.fr
3-1-2006
Please let me know if you are aware of such a person or product in existance.
Terry Cook, USA
E-mail: DecoRides@aol.com
3-1-2006
replacement cables are available from www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk in various colour combinations.
Robert van Zyl.
E-mail: robert@van-zyl.net
18-10-2005
Can anybody help me to trace this T57 Stelvio (late series): Chassis- and engine number unknown, built probably in 1939 .
The second owner, a very charming old lady, told me, that the first owner - as far as she remembers - has been King Michail of Bulgaria.
She sold the car from Austria to Sweden at the early 60ies, the car then was part of the famous Soederstroem-collection and is said to have been sold then to USA.
The original colour has been a kind of petroleum-blue ( please see the colour foto made in the 50ies), please also note the rear side-windows in the soft-top! I was told, that the car participated also at the German International Rally (1962 ?) in Oyenhausen.
Can anybody tell me the numbers of the car or any further history, does it still exist, does anybody have photos of the car?
Thank you in advance for your help, best regards from Vienna, HELGE HAUK
E-mail: dr.hauk@chello.at
29-8-2005
John Stewart, E-mail: john.e.stewart@VALLEY.NET
3-8-2005
E-mail: jpetit@bordeaux.inra.fr
29-5-2005
On Page 8 of "Les 57 Sport", part 2 by Pierre-Yves Laugier, there is a reprint of the Bugatti Coachwork designs factory list (Dessins de Carroseries). Looking closely at this list (pages 4 and 5 only, dating from 1932 to 1939), it seems that most of these designs have been actually made, most on T57 or T57s chassis, but also on T50T (even a fourgon or truck) and T64 chassis.
One item struck me however, it is design number 1058, dated 11-1-33, called a coupé de Ville. The chassis type however is stated clearly FIAT.
It seems that this is the only Bugatti body design for a non-Bugatti chassis. Does anybody have more info on this design? And of course, was it ever made? Do any drawings or photographs exist, and what type of FIAT chassis was it intended for??
For comparison, design 1052, of 11-5-32 was a Coupé de Ville for T41!
Any comments, please email: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com 7-5-2005
Can anybody clarify this matter?
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com 7-5-2005
IMAGES is publishing later this year a unique book on the Bugatti Brescia by Bob King, which will contain a global listing of Brescia owners and information about their cars. IMAGES would still very much like to hear from anyone who owns a Brescia with whom it has not been in contact.
Already, superb material has been received, including unique photography (often very historical and archival) which demonstrates an affection for their cars that only Brescia owners can understand. All original material will be returned.
Contributors would be welcome to contact us via our general email address (books@images.com.au ) and we will then forward submission instructions.
2-2-2005
Update: Most readers refer to Blaak, in Rotterdam, the Netherlands as the best location for radiator work. See: www.blaak.com
Original question: I have a 1929 T44 Bugatti with a badly leaking radiator.
I am interested in how others have dealt with this, possible repair measures.
My guess is that ultimately a recore will be needed, so I wonder how to find someone competent to do this. I'm in New York.
E-mail contact through: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
2-2-2005
Gaston Grümmer
Update February 2, 2005
There are at least two Gaston Grummer bodied Bugattis in Southern
California in addition to Mike Cleary's Type 38.
Type 23, Chassis 2862, is an opera coupe owned by and currently on display at the Nethercutt Museum in Sylmar. The ABC register states that this car was purchased new at the Paris Show by the Gianini family and kept by them until after the Second War. I have seen the car and it looks to be in fine restored condition.
A Type 46, Chassis 46405, coupe with fabric top and false landau irons is owned by the Adams family of San Diego, who also have several other Bugattis. The chassis has been restored to show condition and the body is currently off the chassis awaiting restoration.
David M. Woodhouse
Gaston Grümmer´s son sent me a range of questions: I notice that you have pictures of my fathers work on Bugatti
Does anybody have a record of all the chassis he made the body for?
Do you know if any of these cars still exist?
Do you have you have any other informations we can put together with our archives?
Sofar I have only succeeded in locating one Gaston Grümmer bodied Bugatti, a 1926 T38 Roadster, the yellow one. The photograph at the top is a landaulet made for the singer Josephine Baker. This picture I found somewhere on the Internet, probably on Ebay. JJH
The yellow car belongs to Michael Cleary.
Michael came to see me in Paris in order to get the original pictures.
The story of his restauration is fantastic,
the engine had disappeared and was removed when he bought the car,
but years after he bought it, he saw an advertisment for the sale of a
Bugatti engine, he bought it and when he worked on it later, he discovered
it was the original engine of the chassis!
Then he managed to find me in Paris to have the exact shape of the original
fenders.
Philippe Grümmer
E-mail: philippe.grummer@wanadoo.fr
19-1-2005
I heard that in the Indian collection of Pranlal Bhogilal, which consists of some 100 cars, there should be 6 Bugattis. This was mailed to me by somebody in India. However, I cannot relocate this person.
Does anybody have more information on the Bugattis in this collection?
For some info on the collection see: www.bsmotoring.com
Jaap Horst
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
19-1-2005
Rick Scholtens
E-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
19-1-2005
David B. Miltner
E-mail: fpmiltner@earthlink.net
22-12-2004
Gabriel Pestana
E-mail: gpestana@incipresa.comm
22-12-2004
Thanks in Advance
Christophe Chanterault
E-mail: scuderiacc@aol.com
22-6-2004
Unknown T43 / T55?Update, 4-12-2004
Some further information on what might be this car, from Guy Huet.
Jack Lemon Burton sold 43154 in the early thirties to
Tan Kwan Tong, in Puket, Siam (Thailand)
He paid £ 186 and traded another car in as well.
It was immatriculated 2708 RB 6, which was
probably a French number. Does anybody have additional info on 43154?
Does anybody have more info on this car?
Type, chassisnumber, history, anything is welcome.
Terry McGrath
Please mail your comments to:
13-6-2004
Accidental VentouxThe following question came from Kees Jansen. He wants more information about the car in the picture. The picture was sent by J.L.Chauvin from Pessac en Gironde, and was made by his uncle, Andre Chauvin from Saintes. It is a Ventoux with a clearly visible license: 8785JH3, delivered end 1935 or beginning 1936 in the Loire-Inferieure. The location of the accident presumably was Charente-Maritime. Chauvin asks if the car still exists, and if current pictures of the same car are available (questions were asked in the newspaper that published the picture in 1978).
Please mail your comments to: KeesJ@rdgg.nl
18-5-2004
I was told (by someone who really knows) that the documents etc. of the Ora study center are still in possession of Mrs. Renata Kettmeier.
2-5-2004 In the time Romano Artioli was making the EB110, there was a Bugatti study center at Ora, Italy, which was run by Romano´s wife Renata Kettmeier. The center has closed, but where did it´s collection go? Please answer not only to Dick Ploeg, who brought this question to me, but also to myself!
E-mail Dick Ploeg:
D.Ploeg@hdibv.nl, and my own: J.J.Horst@bigfoot.com
28-1-2001
On behalf of a well known institution that is rebuilding a King-Bugatti WW1, U16 airplane-engine (at least for display), I am looking for parts to complete this engine. Mainly the Crankcase, but also other parts are needed.
On behalf of the Bugatti Aircraft Association, I am also interested in the whereabouts of any complete engines (apart from the known ones, 2 on display in the USA, 1 and a half in Mulhouse). Anybody who has parts, or knows of parts or complete engines, please mail your comments to: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
12-4-2004
Another unidentified Bugatti
I have had this postcard a long time and do not know what, where or when..
Can anybody help please?
It seems to be a T30 (or late Brescia), with obviously the race number 12
Please mail your comments to: Brianswann01@aol.com
4-4-2004
Picture of 57601
Bernhard Simon saw this picture of 57601, the Corsica Coupé, after it's crash but before the burning down. It is on my CD, but I do not know where I got it from. Anybody who has the original picture, or a better scan, please react. Also other pictures of the same car are very welcome!
E-mail: Bernhardsimon@aol.com
10-4-2004
Smuggler´s Bugatti(Question taken from www.PreWarCar.com)
E-mail: Info@PreWarCar.com
10-3-2004
Can anybody help Wayne Kennerley?
E-mail: Wayne.Kennerley@uk.taylorwoodrow.com
19-1-2004
e-mail: Mike@bugatti.fsnet.co.uk
12-1-2004
e-mail: J.J.Horst@Bigfoot.com
12-1-2004
In the period 1920 - 1939 the Bugatti factory in Molsheim, France delivered some 45 cars to their agents Bertrand y Serra (ByS) in Barcelona. There are indications that the Bugatti race driving brothers Pierre and Fernando (Ferdinand?) de Vizcaya were directors of ByS and that ByS was, perhaps, the Bugatti agents for the whole of Spain.
Confirmation of this and further information about this company is sought. Did ByS have other activities; did they represent other automobile manufacturers; are they still in business; what was their address; who were their clients; which coachbuilders did they work with; are there records of ByS advertising and exhibition activities; etc.,etc.
Owning one of the cars delivered new to ByS, a 1925 Type 23 Bugatti, I would be delighted to receive information of any sort about Bertrand y Serra.
Durante el período 1920-1939 la compañía "Bugatti Automobiles" de Molsheim (Francia) suministró unos 45 automóviles a su agente "Bertrand y Serra" (ByS) de Barcelona. Existen indicios de que los hermanos Pierre y Fernando (¿Ferdinand?) de Vizcaya, pilotos de competición de Bugatti, dirigían la empresa ByS; y de que ByS era, tal vez, el agente exclusivo de Bugatti para toda España.
Se desea confirmación sobre lo hasta ahora expuesto y mayor información relativa a la compañía ByS:
¿Tenía ByS otras actividades?
¿Representaron a otros fabricantes de automóviles?
¿Están aún en el negocio de la automoción?
¿Cual era su dirección?
¿Quiénes fueron sus clientes?
¿Con qué carroceros trabajaron?
¿Existen documentos o datos relativos a la publicidad de ByS y sus actividades de exposición?
Siendo propietario de uno de los vehículos que fue entregado nuevo a ByS, un Bugatti tipo 23 de 1925, me resultaría muy grato recibir información de cualquier tipo relativa a Bertrand y Serra.
Por favor, para enviar información pueden dirigirse por escrito; o bien mediante fax; o por correo electrónico, a:
Please write, fax or e-mail to:
Kjeld C. Jessen
Zilverstraat 47
B-2900 Schoten
Belgium
Fax No.: ++32 3 685 0737
e-mail: jessen@wol.be
4-1-2004
I am looking for all chassis numbers and sale dates of all Bugattis, who were sold to Poland in the 20's and 30's.
Can you help me.
Thanks in advance
Andrzej Jakubaszek
Warszawa
Poland
e-mail: anjakub@yahoo.com
16-12-2003
Miroslav Mráz is looking for traces of two Bugattis that have been in Slowakia:
Bugatti T40, chassis 40501
The car was exported in the 70´s from Bratislava to Austria and Germany.
The Roadster - body had been built in Bratislava.
Bugatti T43, chassis 43257 (Number has been verified)
Can anyone Inform me of the current whereabouts or later history of these cars?
Phone: 00421 33 558 09 58
E-mail: bxl@tt.sknet.sk
10-11-2003
Bugattis T35B-4925 photo´sAbove the picture of T35B, chassis 4925, at Monterey this year. Once again thanks to Helge Hauk for helping me research the proper Polish racing colors. The design met with unanimous approval.
As it turns out, the car was registered to Automobiles E. Bugatti on 21st July, 1928 with the French registration 7924 J4. It was most likely raced by the factory until it was sold to Krakow, Poland on March 26th, 1929. If any of you discover photographs of the car, those would be greatly appreciated! I am told that the San Sebastian GP on July 25th, 1926 (Benoist) and the European GP at Monza (Williams) on September 9th, 1928 are some of the more important races in which the car may have run.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Michael Gans
Parkstrasse 33
D-61476 Kronberg
Germany
+49 171 7575955 mob
+49 6173 605833 fax
E-mail: mgans@supreme-foodservice.com
10-11-2003
T44 Pictures 3nd updateBenny Graf Saner has had quite a few offerings as a follow up to this advert, and received photos or info on the (amongst others) the following cars: 44311, 44319, 44379, 44713, 44733, 44857, 44873, 44926, 44942, 441085, 441100, 441127, 441150 and 441342: info on some cars came from several persons. Thanks to you all for your help!
Benny is now looking for, (apart from more pictures, see the list below), some specific information: The licence plate 5804 HL 93 could have been with Bugatti Type 44 (44506). Is this a french or an english registration? Actually, Andrea Capra and myself are looking for informations concerning 44506.
The red Bugatti shown in the pictures was first a coach, now a roadster. Must have been somewhere near Bordeaux where it was for sale five years ago. The car probably later went to Paris.
It has since been identified as 44333, also the current owner is known, with it probably more history as well.
I'm looking for photos of the following T44 cars:
44309 44311 44319 44477 44480 44499 44511 44609 44623 44696 44733 44741 44765 44857 44873 44915 44926 44930 44942 44946 44972 441021 441036 441068 441127 441137 441150 441277 441326 441333 441352 441353Who can help?
My father has his 65th birthday this May.
His greatest wish/ desire are construction plans/ design drawings for an
aluminium car body for his Bugatti Brescia T23 (wheelbase 2,5 m).
Is there any chance to get original plans and could you help me to
suprise my father with this?
Tanja Zarges
So If anybody can help Tanja surprise her father, please mail her!
Email: surfin@netcologne.de
3-5-2003
I received this question from Norman Cowell:
I have been trying to find out about oil that was sold in 2 liter can's
with the Bugatti label on them. I saw a picture some where that showed a
bunch in and old garage picture. Do you know of this oil and where I can get
some information on it?
So who can help Norman finding out what was in the cans?
Email: NORMCOWELL@aol.com
28-4-2003
Help Identify this T44 (or T40?)Benny Graf-Saner is looking into the history of the car pictured here. According to a mail he recieved from Mister Nicolas Guhring (EBA member, owner of the picture), this Bugatti is not a Type 40, but 44713. The magazine "Automobilia", N° 62, page 39 has published this information.
Comment by Dick Ploeg:
This is clearly a (cheaply?) rebodied Bugatti and it does seem to include
(recycled?) body components of other cars. One item I can positively
identify are the bonnet (hood) side grilles, which come from a Salmson S4 DA
(1937/1938) or a late model S4 D.
One other observation: If indeed it is a type 44, then it appears to have
its chassis shortened?
Can you please help Benny with any additional info?
Email: bennygrafsaner@freesurf.ch
28-4-2003
Rembrandt Bugatti Signature
Steve Vermillion bought on Ebay a postcard, sent December 30, 1915, in Paris. it is signed Bugatti (see picture), though it is unclear who this would be. It could be Rembrandt Bugatti, does anybody recognize the signature?
Please contact Steve:
Email: vissitor@attbi.com
22-3-2003
Can you help me find a type 55 reg no EPF4 chassis no 55220 i worked on this car as a young boy with a mr george boyle [sports cars ltd] in england i contacted bugatti owners club they give me some history the last wherabouts the car was sold to somebody in the USA i had some pictures but have lost them in moving house any help will be cratefull yours
Steve Fenwick, Chesire, England
Email: Stevefenwick45@aol.com
12-1-2003